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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:35:00 -
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This is total BS. We lose one of the oldest, best, Eve Gambling sites, and a HUGE contributor to both Player and CCP Events.. all because CCP can't get their own act together. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:54:00 -
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So what Blink was doing was wrong, But Eve Time Code can give you a Free PLEX for every $250 spent..
"New Promo - Your business counts! Starting May 9th 2014, After every $250 spent you will recieve 1 free PLEX" |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:06:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Just to throw my own opinion into the ever-widening ring...
I don't think that with SOMERblink shutting down the issue is settled or resolved. Other than any appropriate punishments as determined and meted out by CCP, I think the real issue here is the ambiguity in the third part policies governing what is and isn't allowed in third party development. As someone who's been trying to get into it, that ambiguity has by far been the largest barrier of entry. The complete mess of official information on the subject is so far scattered throughout blog posts, official articles, wiki entries, and year after year of dev forum posts that it is next to impossible to get clear, unequivocal answers to even some of the most basic questions.
And I don't mean to imply that there is no effort being made by CCP on the matter. I know CCP Foxfour and Falcon, for example, have been extraordinarily active and helpful in the community, but it seems that they badly need reinforcements. If CCP wants to help prevent something like this from happening again the first step would be a clear, official source of centralized information regarding the third party development rules and regulations. All of the ambiguity surrounding the rules as they stand is just a recipe for 'workarounds' and 'clever manipulation' of the rules that could potentially result in more instances of RMT or other rule-breaking such as this one. Indeed.. if I was a 3rd Party henceforth anything I'd do I'd want a signed letter from CCP Legal to hold them accountable.. Clearly taking their word for it amounts to nothing in the face of any bad PR. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:10:00 -
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Cherry Yeyo wrote:I Want ISK wrote:If CCP decided to allow somer to do this, then somer should have been allowed to do it Except they didnt decide- Falcon said this whole thing was never run by legal. Somer took his latest scheme and ran with it and hoped no one would pay attention, the dude has been trying to turn his massive pile of useless isk (to him) into real life bucks ever since last year. He did ask if he needed to go through Legal.. CCP was the one that said Naa you're fine. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:11:00 -
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Captain Aizen1 wrote:Analeesa wrote:Been there since the beginning. just pop up for me? hmm It was on the GTC page for at least a day now.. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:So what Blink was doing was wrong, But Eve Time Code can give you a Free PLEX for every $250 spent..
"New Promo - Your business counts! Starting May 9th 2014, After every $250 spent you will recieve 1 free PLEX" Standard customer loyalty program (if a bit on the miserly side GÇö isn't GÇ£buy 10 get 1 for freeGÇ¥ the standard? ) with no in-game component. So there's no comparison there. How is that any better than what Blink was doing?
Buy a bunch from our reseller get some isk free.. If what Blink is doing is RMT, then so it this. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:16:00 -
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Lord BryanII wrote:After the **** from last year, CCP should have given Somer a relationship manager that knew what was up Or one that ran things through Legal..
I mean even Somer expected it to go through Legal and was told no.. WTF o_0 |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:21:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:Tippia wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:So what Blink was doing was wrong, But Eve Time Code can give you a Free PLEX for every $250 spent..
"New Promo - Your business counts! Starting May 9th 2014, After every $250 spent you will recieve 1 free PLEX" Standard customer loyalty program (if a bit on the miserly side GÇö isn't GÇ£buy 10 get 1 for freeGÇ¥ the standard? ) with no in-game component. So there's no comparison there. How is that any better than what Blink was doing? Buy a bunch from our reseller get some isk free.. If what Blink is doing is RMT, then so it this. Because they're not doing transactions of any ISK at all. It's basically equivalent to offering a discount on bulk orders. Are you suggesting that ETC retailers not be allowed to offer discounts? The free PLEX is isk..
Would it have been better is rather than Blink giving you ISK for your PLEX, they gave, say, ships? Mod's? Whatever.. that adds up to the same value..
In both cases you spend money to get MORE than you paid for. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:38:00 -
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Anyone that doesn't see PLEX as ISK needs their head examined. Until such time as PLEX can't be sold at Jita, it's just a bulk amount of ISK. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 02:28:00 -
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You know what Blink should do.. Become their own GTC Seller. All that's required is a Blink account.
Then they can make all the profit.. And they would be bigger than ever now that everyone has seen that when they shut down they didn't just take the isk and run.
The tears of all the people crying over what they did would be delicious.
And it would be a great FU to CCP who in every way brought this on themselves.
They allowed Blink to do they original GTC deal for Years. THEY gave Blink the Shiny Scorps and other ships. THEY didn't put blinks proposal through Legal, where questions would be asked like "How will you determine your Buy prices?" and other common sense questions.
CCP needs to step up for all their faults in this mess.. Rather than throwing Blink under the bus again. The smallest amount of common sense on CCP's part would have prevented this mess ages ago. |
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 05:49:00 -
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Thatt Guy wrote:So since Somer can't use Eve to print RL money anymore, he closes up shop.
This should tell you all you need to know. He never cared for the community, or the players or Eve, just blinded by the almighty dollar.
To Somer: Take your ball and go home then, may the IRS bless you with an audit. I can't blame him for leaving.. You can argue both sides to if he crossed that vague line CCP has about when is it RMT and when isn't it.. But the simple fact is, Somer has been screwed by CCP 3 times now.
First time was the first "RMT" deal, that he did for YEARS, no complaints, then some outcry and CCP shuts it down. It's not like CCP never knew what he was doing, some covert act, he was a site advertised by CCP several times.. suddenly it was wrong. Second time was the drama about the Scorps, and the gifts for the big celebration.. Somer didn't DO anything. Even if they asked for the stuff, which they didn't (at least not the Scorps) CCP was the one that gave it all out. Third was this.. Was Somers proposal fake or not.. I donno.. But he asked them if it needed to go through legal, where you'd expect them to ask common sense questions like HOW are you going to set the PRICE.. Highsec Average? Jita? Monthly Average? HOW.. Basic questions. No CCP just said yes. It's fine.. and didn't even pass it by Legal. I doubt they even read the document.
I can't blame him for not wanting to deal with CCP anymore. If CCP could pull their heads out of their asses and become consistent, with some common sense questions and procedures for their actions, all of these events (and many, many others with other communities and sites) could all have been avoided. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:31:00 -
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So once again, because CCP lacks any common sense, or ability to communicate, Somer gets thrown under the bus and the people at CCP go on as if nothing happened.
Reminds me of when The Mittani got banned.. CCP Devs were standing around him when he did his speal at Fanfest.. No action, no issues.. Then they re-aired it.. Un-edited.. again, no issues.. few days late drama starts and OMG we had NO idea and this is SO wrong we must BAN him for breaking the RULES..
CCP's Rep didn't ask the most OBVIOUS of questions, "How will you determine the price you pay for the PLEX?".. Didn't even forward it on to Legal, where they would have likely nailed down specifics. I doubt she even read it.
No rather than CCP standing up and saying it was THEM that ****** up, they evade.
Tell me what's gonna happen to Lisa? What happened to the Devs that didn't take ANY action then The Mittani did his bit at Fanfest? Nothing. Maybe a stern convo in the office.. But they take actual action against the other parties.
So, since you never actually gave Somer isk.. Really this is RMT because Somer gave you isk for an out-of-game service.. namely, using their referral link to buy GTC.
MANY programming projects, like killboards, forums, etc pay ISK to their programmers for out of game services. TMC, and EN24 pay isk for writers, again and out of game service. Many TS3 Servers, Mumble, etc are paid for in ISK for someone to host the server themselves.
How are these any different?
And we don't even want to talk about all the "RMT" that goes on in big alliances, on the forums, Comms, and IM's.. Be it paying $$$ for your titan from someone leaving the game, or as small as sending isk to someone for them to order you some item online or ship it to you.
CCP's got no answer there. The only act on Somer because of the mob mentality, same reason they did with Mittens. They never thought it was wrong, they never had an issue with the original Somer setup, but because Drama they gave in.
If CCP has rules they should be back and white, and enforced at the time. They need to stop living in grey vague areas and enforcing these rules retroactively, and only when there's some backlash. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
190
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:42:00 -
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Hendrick Tallardar wrote:There is no incentivization of using TMC/EN24/etc.'s referral links. That is, one of several, key differences in your analogy. TMC doesn't provide you an in-game reward for buying GTC/PLEX through their site. Them paying their staff in ISK to provide the service for the site falls in line with CCP's policy. When CCP change that policy, they will adapt or cease to exist. Pretty simple really. CCP Policies are only there for the moment, and subject to change at the hint of Drama.
What Somer was doing before was clearly fine with CCP, they did it for what, 2, 3 years without a word? And in that time were actively advertised by CCP on the Login/Character Selection screen, and in the community posts.
CCP has NO idea where the line is.. They just make it up as the drama heats up. |
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